Gay Blog Hell

My very brief encounter with Joe Brummer's gay BLOG


  Guy Adams
July 29, 2006
 

 

 

Joe Brummer is a gay activist. You probably haven't heard of him because he's not well known. I entered his Replace the Lies With TRUTH blog the other day and posted a couple of gentle messages about the truth about homosexuality. I was interested because of his continued criticism on his blog of Stephen Bennett and Stacy Harp, two well-known pro-family activists. What I found on his BLOG were untrue insinuations and other false information. I know Stephen, Stacy, and their work, and it would seem that Joe has misinformed his readers. At least, that's my opinion after visiting his site.

We can only win the moral and cultural war going on in our country today if we practice and preach the truth. It is my belief that militant homosexual activists do not, and when truth confronts them, they turn it off and run away. (See my piece Truth or Novocain?)

Homosexuals accuse Christians of being intolerant, but now more than ever; I maintain that it is the militant homosexuals who are the most intolerant. After I posted a few messages exposing the truth about homosexuality, Joe logged me off saying, "Wow, Guy[,] you have violated the rules on comments too many times." Not true. I violated none of his rules.

It was Joe Brummer who was being intolerant, I feel — meaning no disrespect. By and large, gays are not open to the truth. It's their way or no way. They want gay marriage or else it's marriage for no one (special rights or no rights). They do not want free speech; they demand restricted speech, unless of course they are bashing Christians. I was in Chicago during the recent Gay Games, with Peter LaBarbera of the Illinois Family Institute, along with Sandy Rios, John Diggs, Greg Quinlan, Matt Barber and with ten or so other activists, and I heard not one intolerant or profane word uttered by any of them. I did not even hear them utter anything in anger. I only heard the truth spoken with love and compassion. But I heard countless profanities and mean-spirited insults by the gay activists. Why the need for this vile language?

Because truth has the power to heal those who embrace it,


But it also has the power to can hurt those who oppose it.


Below you will read the exact blogging as it took place. I have not edited it. I have not added to, nor subtracted from, its actual content. This text was captured by "Select All" then "Copy." What you see below is what actually transpired, but first, here are Joe Brummer's BLOG Rules are (copied from his site. I have left his many typos in place):

  1. There will no name calling or violence of speech. If you cannot make your point with insulting the person you are speaking to than your point is just an insult.
  2. If you post research or stats, they must have a source. No source, I will delete them. NO PAUL CAMERON RESEARCH IS ALLOWED ON THIS SITE.
  3. Much of my goal here with this site is too non-violently present the true facts in response to the misinformation of conservative anti-gay persons and organizations. I am not out to insult them. I am not out to call them names. I am certainly not here to make enemies. I am hoping to make new friends who believe as I do in the beloved communtiy. If your comment is out of line with that mission, it will be deleted. We at some point all need to learn that we need to find a way to get along. The lies must stop, along with the violence.
  4. All comments must respect other posters, even if they are rude or mean. Fighting back with violent words will not solve the problem, it will not turn your adversary into a friend. It only makes enemies. I will not support this by allowing such comments. Please read principle number #3 of MLK's philosophy of non-violence for clarification on this rule. This is the one that will get most deleted.


Midway through the brief session, Joe basically said that I had violated his "rules" by mentioning the research on the tremendous medical dangers of homosexual sexual behavior. I knew that I was being set up for being logged off. Joe finally said that I violated "too many" of his rules. As you read the transcript below, you'll see that I violated none of them and in fact, his gay-friendly bloggers violated a number of them.

My intention in presenting this to you is to highlight why many inactive Christians are so inactive — they are afraid of being called "intolerant" or mean-spirited or even bigoted, when more often than not, it is the homosexual lobby that is the most intolerant. Just who is intolerant will be obvious to all. You will also be surprised by some of the absurdity in their arguments.

Transcript of my brief adventure on Joe Brummer's gay blog:

  1. GuyAdams Says:

    July 27th, 2006 at 2:19 pm


  2. Let me say that conservatives by and large do not hate gays, nor should they. However, they by and large believe that gay-marriage is bad for the country because it would undermine 2,000 yrs of traditional morality. The question seems to be that since gays cannot procreate, why the need to actually "marry"? Having said that, here's what I think will happen if gay marriage becomes the law of the land, which it will probably will not be, as numerous federal courts have very recently said. The real behind the scenes reason seems to be that gays do not really want gay "marriage," they want to destroy the traditional family.


  3. Here what will happen if gay marriage becomes the law of the land...
    • Many young people will become even hopelessly confused about their sexuality (as if they're not confused enough already).
    • The feminization of men and the coarsening of women will grow as traditionally accepted concepts of sexual behavior and family roles blend.
    • Traditional concepts regarding lifelong commitments between a man and a woman and the strength of the traditional family will quickly and permanently erode. Two thousand years of traditional values will be reversed within a generation or two.
    • Textbooks in grammar schools and high schools will be required to teach this unnatural 'marriage' arrangement as being normal and legal. If a church run school receives state aid, it too will be required to present gay marriage as normal. At the very least, it will be legally prevented from preaching against it. Imagine that — Bible teachings being outlawed in the same country where our Declaration of Independence says, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their CREATOR with certain unalienable Rights."
    • The medical and insurance industries will be overwhelmed, as hundreds of thousands of new people are added to the traditional list of beneficiaries. The cost of giving care to legions of new beneficiaries (many with HIV & AIDS) will cause many companies to curtail health benefits or force you to bear the bulk of the premium. The cost of your medical care will skyrocket.
    • Television shows will include all manner of gay related themes beyond what is already being shown. It will be much worse and more graphic and it will be shown in primetime.
    • It will be impossible to insulate your children from the gay lifestyle since they will be inundated by the supposed normality of gay marriage and gay 'values' everywhere, and the full force of law will protect it all.
    • Laws will be passed requiring foster parents to undergo "tolerance" training — they will also be forbidden to teach against gay marriage, as is currently the legal requirement in California for all new foster parents.
    • Foster kids will be required to be placed in gay marriage homes because the law will recognize gay marriage as legal and normal. A foster kid may have two fathers. Can two gay fathers adequately help, for example, a young girl coping with her first period?
    • New hate speech laws will be drafted. It will be ILLEGAL to preach homosexuality and gay marriage as being against God's Law. A conversation at the water cooler can turn you into a convicted felon. This is reality in Massachusetts and it is on the way to becoming reality in America, with Illinois on the fast track.
    • With the keystones of abortion and gay marriage legalized, thereby cheapening life and commitment, it opens the door to almost anything else, no matter how vile or unnatural.

Guy Adams

FINAL CHALLENGE: If you're as 'tolerant' as you say you want conservatives to be, extend that tolerance and allow me to continue to post my side of the puzzle. We'll see.

  1. Joe Brummer Says:

    July 27th, 2006 at 2:32 pm

    Yes, guy you are wrong because. Easy to prove. You have no crystal ball to prove any of those [slippery] slope [fallacies] will ever happen. You are working off fear, not reality.

    Do you really think we can make laws that [trump] the First [Amendment]...now you are using the call to arms tactics against gays that I so find immoral and wrong.

    As for the gay parent thing, wake up my good man. Gay parents already exist and the research that is accept show the kids are doing [better] than fine.

    Television show will not change due to gay marriage. TV works the way it has always worked, by what sells. What people will watch. I would much rather see gay people than the reality shows and violence, but again you are working off fear and not reality.

    Stopping gay from marrying based on the argument of "tradition" isn't very good. Slavery was an age-old tradition and it still exists today in many countries. [Tradition] doesn't mean it is right or moral, it just means we have been making the same mistakes and injustice for a long time.

    The whole procreate thing is a farce. Gays can procreate, that is why we have so many gay parents and children being raised by same sex parents. Many of those children are biologic and some are not. Either way you are denying a reality, and that is gays have kids and those kids deserve the protections of marriage.

    I am tolerant of other people's beliefs, including yours Guy, but I am intolerant of the misuse of research, the constant negative images about gays in the conservative media and I am very intolerant of the violence against gays and others. If you wish to learn more about [my beliefs and me] you need to look no further than this site.

    You are welcome to post your side of the puzzle. I would suggest you read the comments policy at the top left of the page. If your post become out of line with that you will find them edited or deleted. Repeated need for me to watch your posts will lead to your being banned.
  2. Joe Brummer Says:

    July 27th, 2006 at 2:33 pm

    excuse my spelling (bad typing when I rush)
  3. Joe Brummer Says:

    July 27th, 2006 at 2:35 pm

    Gay marriage [cheapens] life?

    Wow that was low man. What makes you think you are better than me because you are heterosexual?
  4. kkaatz Says:

    July 27th, 2006 at 2:37 pm

    For GuyAdams,

    I am not going to respond to all of your post. However, I am going to respond to some things and show that you are wrong:

    1) You keep referring to 2,000 years of traditional morality. What exactly do you mean by this? And why the "magic" number of 2,000? Marriage, until very recently, was an issue of property rights whereby the male controlled everything. If that is traditional, then we need to get rid of women's rights as soon as possible. The history of relationships is much longer and more varied than what some fundamentalists would have us believe. What is '[traditiona]; morality' and what part of the earth are you referring to when you give the number of '2,000.'

    2) You claim that if gays are allowed to marry, straight marriages will fall apart. That is the same as saying that my vote as a white person is degraded by a vote by a black person. The two are totally unrelated. If people want to keep the sanctity of marriage, then make divorce illegal and Christ would agree with me here. Make adultery a crime punishable as it is in the same religious texts you are referring to. Besides, in Massachusetts, where gay marriage is legal, the divorce rate for straights is one of the lowest in the country. It seems that gay marriage might actually help straight marriage (although I believe they are unrelated).

    3) You state that medical and insurance industries will be overwhelmed. How about showing some proof of this from the state of Mass.? I haven't heard of the insurance industry collapsing there. And most Fortune 500 companies now give partner benefits and they are not collapsing either.

    4) Why, why, why, is tolerance such a bad thing? My god, if children are not taught tolerance, then we will go back to the 'good-old-days' of women in the kitchen and blacks in the cotton fields. We are taught to tolerate other people's religious views — is that a bad thing???

    5) All hate speech (including that found in so-called religious texts) should be illegal anyway. And I should remind you that the bible was used to keep slaves as slaves. Hate speech against religion is illegal despite the fact that having a religion is a definite choice while being gay has nothing to do with a choice.

    6) So yes, you are wrong here.
  5. kkaatz Says:

    July 27th, 2006 at 2:39 pm

    And GuyAdams,

    You give the website RenewAmerica. If you want a renewal, you are referring to a time in the past you want to go back to. What time point are you referring to? Before civil rights? Before women's rights? When exactly what the 'golden era' that you seem so desperate to get back to???
  6. Joe Brummer Says:

    July 27th, 2006 at 2:40 pm

    Actually, same sex marriage would give thousands access to preventive care. We know from healthcare studies that preventive care saves lots of money. So your theory isn't supported by the research.

    Healthcare could in fact be much cheaper if less people are getting sick. Having more people getting preventive care and having access to insurance means less sick people.

    I think you are very off on the healthcare bit.
  7. GuyAdams Says:


  8. July 27th, 2006 at 2:40 pm


  9. I'm a little puzzled by the vitriolic view of Bennett and Harp. You say that Bennett 'constantly paints a bad picture of gays,' right? Okay then, paint me a good picture of them. Honest, I'm open, I really am. But having semi-anonymous sex in bathhouses just doesn't paint a good picture, does it? Nor does any group of people that has 30% of its members having HIV and AIDS, and by their own repeated behavior. Dr. Diggs says this figure will rise to 50 within the next 2-3 years. Having unprotected sex despite these numbers — does that sound like good judgment to you? I know Stephen Bennett and Stacy Harp and they bear NO hatred toward gays. But they are trying to reach out to the gay in love. How? By honestly telling you that God loves you but hates your behavior. You can't get around the word He has chosen to call it an "abomination."


  10. I was at the Gay Games in Chicago last week with Peter LaBarbera and Sandy Rios. NONE of us were violent or used hateful behavior but you should have heard the overly hateful and profane speech used by the gays their in protest to our presence. I was even hit over the head with a sign by a gay protester. Does his demeanor seem
  11. 'gay' to you? Are you truly 'gay' and happy in your heart, or is something missing? Like with a car, when in doubt refer to the owner's manual, and in your case, that would be the Bible. God does not endorse any form of homosexuality so why do it? And if God calls it sinful behavior, surely there must be a way out, as Stephen Bennett and thousands of other ex-gays have done, and apparently quite successfully.

    I do NOT hate gays. I do not advocate discrimination or ANY violence against them. I frequently get replies after email exchanges between gays and me who write me and I am appalled at the behavior of many Christians against gays. We are to confront the sinner with love, dignity and respect, as I endeavor to do. But true love also demands that we state the truth about the gay's sin. It is medically dangerous, frequently lonely, and at times guilt-ridden. If I fail to say that I am betraying myself and I am failing you. And I do suggest that gays have nothing to lose by at least checking out what God says about your lifestyle. You can also see SBMinistries.org to get some short-cut info, if you're honest and sincere enough to do so.


  12. Are gays like Joe Brummer tolerant? We'll see. If my posts are removed and I cannot post any further, you'll know. The ball is in his court. If you'd like to contact me, I WILL respond.
  13. Joe Brummer Says:

    July 27th, 2006 at 2:46 pm

    I asked you nicely to read the comments policy. I have not edited your post, but will remind you I am not tolerant of misused and refuted research. Your references to Dr. Diggs will be your last of those references.

    Please read the comments policy.

    As for a nice picture of gays and lesbians?

    Read this site.....

    For another picture, please see the video Dear Doc Dobson here....

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4353648393929664638&q=dear+doctor+dobson
  14. GuyAdams Says:

    July 27th, 2006 at 2:48 pm

    Dear Joe,

    You said, "the constant negative images about gays in the conservative media and I am very intolerant of the violence against gays and others."

    You will not get that from me. I am greatly distressed when I hear 1) Christians bashing gays and 2) when violence is done against them. We at RenewAmerica all share these views. We oppose same-sex behavior but feel that as human beings created by God, they are as deserving of dignity as any other person. I know that 'you' have experienced much over negative images in the conservative press, and that is unfair. I think the one critical error conservatives make is that MANY of them are apparently unable to separate the person from the behavior, and that is unfortunate.

    I would hope that although you apparently differ from my viewpoint, that you'd respect them and not foster negative images of me; and you can expect the same from me.

    ~Guy
  15. GuyAdams Says:

    July 27th, 2006 at 2:54 pm

    Dear Joe,

    You said that you believe in gay rights with all your heart. Ok, what rights are you talking about? You have the same rights as I do. Marriage is not a right; it's a privilege, so that's not germane to the discussion, in my opinion. Regarding protection rights, as a certified law enforcement officer, if I saw violence or harm being done to a gay, I would respond the exact same way as I would if the victim were straight. You can live where I live, shop where I shop, work where I work, drive where I drive, leisure where I leisure, you can even go to church where I go to church, so what "rights" are you talking about? Maybe I'm missing something here. Am I?

    ~Guy
  16. GuyAdams Says:

    July 27th, 2006 at 2:55 pm

    Dear Joe,

    Why is Stephen Bennett's approach "immoral"?

    ~Guy
  17. Joe Brummer Says:

    July 27th, 2006 at 2:57 pm

    Guy,

    You need to read the site to learn that. The site is dedicated to that subject. Please read.

    Also, again I will ask you read the comments policy.
  18. Joe Brummer Says:

    July 27th, 2006 at 3:02 pm

    Wow, guy you have violated the rules on comments too many times.


END of TRANSCRIPT


At this point in the session, Joe abruptly and suddenly logged me off. So just who are the really intolerant ones? Am I wrong here? If I am, prove it to me in a rational and logical manner. To me, it seems that the homosexuals are intolerant. Although they accuse Christians of being "homophobic," to me, they are Christ-phobic. They, like Joe, are afraid of hearing the truth. They want their sin and any religion, person or group that attempts to tell them that what they have chosen to do is wrong, is called "bigoted" and "intolerant." It reminds me of the remark by Jack Nicholson near the end of the movie "A few Good Men" where he said, "You can't handle the truth!" So it is with many gays.

 

You decide.

 

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 Guy Randall Adams, born in 1955, is a freelance writer, public speaker, and moral conservative Christian activist. He is also a political consultant for a number of nationally known political entities. He has been a professional guitarist (1973-1981), computer programmer & systems' analyst (1984-1999), and in 2004 he was Dr. Alan Keyes’s bodyguard in the Senatorial elections. He is also licensed pilot and has a degree in Computer Science from Purdue University (1984). Guy is a volunteer teacher & mentor at a long-term Christian drug rehab, and is a member of the same non-denominational church since 1980. He's been married since 1981 to his dear wife Joanne.


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